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Yeah damage mitigation is far from fixed, it still works one day and not the next, yes legendaries drop way to little, very good video
Great point about the Nerfs!!!!!
Great content and presentation. +1 Sub here
Logged back in and it still tells me all my equipment is new, every time no matter what I do it's screwed up. They didn't seem to fix a damn thing.
How hard is it to implement a damn duplication protection, after 15 of same thing while missing so much is BS.
If it's a one and done game why would they care about the drop rate. And nerfing the damn game.
I enjoy your content and your channel. If you decide to rant I think you should. Your coverage of this game has been intelligent and interesting. I tend to agree with you all the time..once again I agree…. f*cking cheers 🍻
Another great video, keep up the good work!
They should change their name to People Can Lie
Anthem & Fallout 76 have created a meta for game developers that won't go away until we stop falling for the hype, pre-ordering and fanboying these games and game studios. Shipping broken, incomplete games will plague the market until people have gotten fed up and keep their money in their pockets.
I think square needs to cut ties with people can fly
Just looking at the comment section of this video, you can see why the community manager (CM) is trying to drill down further. Even here you have people asking for different changes to the drop system: some are asking for a better balance, others are asking for less dupes, others are asking to target farm expeditions/quests. Turning up the legendary drop rate fixes none of those problems. You just get more shit that you don't want. If you played Anthem, this is exactly what happened. Players asked for more drops, the faucet got turned on, and players were still pissed because they just got flooded with shitty gear to vendor not upgrades. Turned out that the "simple" solution that the community was so sure of was the wrong one.
We've been offered a peek under the hood and people are complaining. Wouldn't you like to know if it isn't truly RNG? Because the CM sure implied that it isn't when he mentioned this: "to help make your farming more targeted and less frustrating". If the answer isn't simply Gold CT15 anything and let RNGesus take the wheel, then why say that? I am very interested to see their post on drop rates and hope that it drives the conversation into a more productive place so we can have a more enjoyable looter experience.
And fix the god-damn bugs while this conversation is happening because having weapon mods break is frustrating as fuck.
NO people Can Fly don't care about Outriders all they think about & want is to make money they don't care about their GAMERS just money! People shouldn't put up with it or stand for the card they are doing with the game! It's a bug enfested laggy boring game! I stopped playing it 3 days after it came out
It all feels just a tad bit too sanctimonious and self-important. Know what I mean? Like from day one, they keep telling us we're misunderstanding the numbers, we don't know the process, we don't get the information. They're the glorious studio with all the answers and we're the dregs at the bottom being unreasonable. But if they're so great and knowledgeable why did it take them a month to solve problems that other studios learned how to eliminate entirely pre-release over a decade ago? If the entire community agrees that drop rates are bad and enemies hit too hard, why are they telling us we're confused by damage mitigation and observational biases? I don't care if the stingy droprates are due to my misconception or a system error, the result is the same, and them talking down to me how I "feel" the droprates are unfair because some dude on the other side of the planet got ten legendaries from a single run, isn't really making me feel better, it just makes me feel disrespected as a consumer. I know the studio can do better because we've all seen how well they handled the demo. But it won't get better until People Can Fly get off their collective high horse and pull their heads out.
It felt almost mocking when they put out a statement saying in spite of all the complaints, they did well enough in sales that SE essentially approved a sequel. Can't help but wonder if they'll feel as smug when their sequel gets only half the numbers because so many people got burned on the current game so hard that they'll probably never touch another game by this studio.
I ran the complete campaign without a single legendary world drop. To me this says the drop rates are way off. The legendaries I have for came from either expeditions or campaign rewards. I feel that the developers although they say they are listening clearly aren't. They have basically said there is nothing wrong with drops rates and that we the players have been farming legendaries wrong!
What drops we have today Johnny.
Johnny: How about another Cannoball! 🤣
You have great stamina FM.
In the end for myself, I never cared about mitigation or that the end game was timed or any of those concerns as for the 2 classes I played with 4 build types I was able to make, I beat expeditions with gold times during all that…
But highlight what I just said there… "able to make".
The only reason I ever played Technomancer (and ended up playing 2 tree areas) was for a single piece of gear I wanted to put into stash and move over to another class. That piece never dropped.
Weeks in and 60-75 expeditions a day some days 8.5 – 10.5 mins each depending on the maps (food & bottled water at the desk mini fridge grindin') . No-life play for real… never got the drop.
No thanks.
I went straight back to PoE where there are hundreds of skills with thousands of build designs w/100s of unique items including far greater crafting capability, on far more challenging content with a much more fleshed out end game including a variety of play options… and I could complete builds. All that and could farm the most exotic gear in just days or sometimes hours.
How many total legendary items are there in outriders? 40 some odd guns? Maybe the same for gear?
Drop rates are a joke.
Legit, that was enough for me to uninstall.
Im not playing a game for months to make "a single build". The got me F'd up if they think thats the move. To be blunt, whoever is in charge of that at PCF needs their job performance evaluation because clearly they created a dumpster fire.
No thanks.
Go Off KING !!!
Success has already been realized. With at least 3 and one half million copies sold at $60 bucks a pop, that is over 2 Billion dollars. Plenty to pay their 300 person crew for five years, pay the utilities, insurance, taxes and other hand outs and pocket a very large profit also. So yep, they have succeeded.
As for the game, Yep, it needs work. I think they will eventually fix it, bit by bit. My game runs perfectly, however I play solo. I get the occasional crash but other than that it works well. Yesterday it crashed and the guilty party was Windows 10…….updated while playing the game. Various problems can be traced to Windows 10.
As for cross play and all the problems it seems Multiplayer does have, it seems to me having watched many videos of various games, cross play is inherently full of issues on most games. Sony and Microsoft and a gaming PC simply do not like to talk to each other well.
On PC do not know about others, if you do wish to play with friends and all of you are on the PC it works very well. Open the party and someone from Playstation or Xbox jumps in, instantly you get LAG and various other issues. Just an observation I have picked up on. This happened a lot when I was playing Borderlands 3. It may still be like that, I do not know, I quit BL3 when they started using the NERF HAMMER constantly, and as far as stories go, Outriders is wonderful compared to the insufferable story of BL3.
Hopefully they will soon have it fixed. It is a really fun game as far as the combat, sure the story sucks, however you can skip all of that the second time through, just skip all those cut scenes. Drop rates also suck, and trying to get a particular mod for a build can be very frustrating and you may never get it. So start a new character and see if it drops for them, put it in your stash, go get it with your main character and thar' ya go. I find that two characters work better than one. I have two of each class, and a notebook and pen, so I can generally find all the mods.
Built a new Trickster using all I learned, One shot from the Death Shield with Fortress and Dark Matter or whatever it is called, knocks an elite out of his shoes……..Grin
Also have noticed that the player numbers have became stable from around 7 to 9 thousand on the Steam Chart each day. Times other platforms and there is still a significant number of players.
Cheers
Kit
Yet in BL3 Gearbox can seamlessly adjust drop rates, buff/nerf, and add content w/ weekly hotfixes w/ NO issues. Currently, rotating weekly, one Trial of (X) map has it's boss turned into a raid boss w/ targeted drops and also weekly a 'Black Market' vending machine spawns in a random Galaxy location that has Legs selected by the Devs for sale. I'm no coder, but PCF seems to be punching well above their weight class w/ this one. Last CT13 Gold(2 wks ago) got 2 Legs, super stoked, and they were both the EXACT SAME GUN!!SMH.
As usual, well said. I’ve given up on it after hundreds of hours as well. I keep checking in because I WANT it to be good and go back to it…. Just lost hope. I think the complicated breakdown of how “complex” the loot issue is, is just a distraction because they don’t know how to fix it.
Well, this video's gonna bring views, people adore rants, especially about this game.
Now, communication between PCF and the players has definitely changed. It's like the demo and the launch of the game was the honeymoon and now we're getting the problems.
Drop rates (for me anyway) were more inconsistent then bad. Some days I can get 4 leggos from 3 CT 13 run, some days I can't get anything from a CT 15 gold. The problem is too many useless legendaries, especially armour. Nowadays I don't even flinch on a yellow drop cause I expect it to be cannonball or something like that. Aerie Master for example… The problem with RNG is that they can set up any drop rate of any piece and say oh, it's just RNG. Why does the Deathshield drop so little then? Or Heir or the Funeral Pyre? I got my first Deathshield the other day. It was on CT 15 gold finish and it had a 77k firepower. 77k! It was useless. Ok, I got the mod but still…
I thought about this already and one thing definitely comes to mind. In games like Borderlands for example every new dlc brings OP weapons which everybody farms untill they're nerfed eventually or something better comes along. Every takedown (which were free btw) does the same. If nothing is happening, along comes a level cap increase which means back to farming. There is nothing like this in Outriders so better or dedicated drops would just fasten the games death. Players would soon have everything they need and stop playing. This is the same reason Tiago is on a fixed inventory all the time (the rolls do change on his weapons though).
It's not a coincidence that it's so hard to get the Acari set or the Trickster mask for instant reload, (can't remember the name) those are the things that make the only OP builds in the game nowadays.
Yeah, this seems very lazy from PCF, but that's the way it is. It's not a live service game they said, but they're obviously trying to prolong its life with things like these.
Way back in the days when devs was gamers doing what they loved, with low or no pressure from a band of suits. Those were the days when games were ready for release when released. And if there was a problem they fixed it wasnt only about fast money, it was alot about the love for the gaming and the gaming community.
I'm glad to hear you put PCF and the community manager on blast. I popped my Outriders disc out of the PS5 2 weeks ago, and I've been tempted to just have my wife sell it on ebay to rid it from the house for good.
Between the demo and the main game, I have well over 250 hours in and received an easy Platinum trophy. When the community manager posts on Reddit though, he just lets me know how little PCF respects its players.
Someone needs to investigate the development of Outriders. They make all the PR statements about this being a single player game and not live service, but all the underpinnings of live service are there. I'd bet that Outriders started as live service and down the pipeline they realized they had no chance of completing a game like that so they cut and bastardized the game up into what we actually received.
Playing Outriders is like fucking your Ex for fun. On one side it feels really good, but honestly… it's not something you should be doing.
Blame the industry for putting out subpar games and using the players for beta testers. We also are to blame in that we keep pre-ordering these unfinished games and expecting things to change. I enjoy this game, I don’t enjoy their nerfs and changes based on information gathered from people that like you said play 24/7.
PCF/SE next step is to put the game on a fire sale $20 when DLC is ready for purchase for $20. They gave up on keeping long term players and are going to go for new players that they can entice. And the people (paid influencers) that blazed thru the content and got things nerfed no longer play and left right after worlds first Eye of the Storm completion…..they do that to just about everygame they produce content for. I have not played since the inventory restoration and had my account frozen. Logged back on after the implemented the fix and last about 15 minutes before a hit uninstall.
The alpha perferos have to be the most annoying enemy I've ever seen in any game ever made.
Yesterday I opened my lobby and carried everyone who came thru to gold, ALL golds… we approached around 8-9 runs with no Legos on 14 and 15's. We even texted thru ps to suggest we shut the game off and restart. Maybe it was some rng glitch 🤔… either way that's just unacceptable. There's no fucking reason we should be coming up empty handed after struggling our way thru this glitched ass one shot nightmare where we may or may not stay connected during the whole run and IF everyone is capable of using their skills and procs…. fucking hell PCF get your shit together and take some pride and ownership in what you put your fucking name on!
I share your frustration brother. I love this game. Not since Mass Effect 3 multiplayer have I spent so much time on a single game. Ive made some awesome friends playing this. I just want the studio to fix the game. I'm not interested in complex explanations I don't understand. I'm not interested in apologies. You took my money, just give me what I paid for……Period
When we have a "extra legendary" chance weekend, we'll know they could tweak if they wanted.
Still at the end of the day I've been satisfied with drop rate and play being relatively jaded from my time in Fallout 76.
My man, let me break this down for you. PCF are new and arrogant, they act like they are always the smartest people in the room and Outriders is their baby. Our complaints will always be taken as we are just to stupid to understand things they way they are explained. They will never take any criticism as they believe they don't make mistakes.